Garðr Víða II

I wanted to get a solid idea of how many Upwell structures we’ve currently got and see if I could get some base on the number being anchored per day, etc… so I pulled some data off the Adam4EVE site. It was pretty burly so I ended up grabbing just the statistics for all the Upwell structures in HighSec, 0.5 and above, that are being reported by CCPs ESI interface. This covers all structures that allow public access and thus are visible in-game in the structure browser. Any private structures are not listed on the Adam4EVE site, since they are not included in the provided data.

Here is what I came up with.

HighSec (0.5 and above) – Upwell structures anchored per year
Year Anchored Astrahus Athanor Azbel Fortizar Raitaru Sotiyo Tatara Grand Total # of Days Avg/Day
2016 621 35 72 305 2 1035 45 23
2017 516 273 280 59 1485 12 14 2639 363 7.269972452
2018 36 45 18 2 86 1 185 16 11.5625
Grand Total 1166 318 333 133 1876 14 15 3859 424 9.101415094
HighSec (0.5 and above) – Upwell structures anchored per Region
Region Astrahus Athanor Azbel Fortizar Raitaru Sotiyo Tatara Grand Total Avg/Day
Aridia 2 3 1 6 0.0141509
Black Rise 17 4 4 1 21 47 0.1108491
Derelik 39 15 13 4 74 1 146 0.3443396
Devoid 33 9 10 54 106 0.25
Domain 130 38 35 11 232 2 2 450 1.0613208
Essence 48 9 12 6 55 1 131 0.3089623
Everyshore 52 16 11 11 56 146 0.3443396
Genesis 51 13 20 7 72 2 165 0.3891509
Heimatar 42 12 7 5 62 128 0.3018868
Kador 60 15 16 3 79 173 0.4080189
Khanid 54 8 11 4 46 2 125 0.2948113
Kor-Azor 27 7 8 2 47 91 0.2146226
Lonetrek 100 19 23 9 192 2 2 347 0.8183962
Metropolis 77 37 20 12 105 2 2 255 0.6014151
Molden Heath 11 2 1 1 13 1 29 0.0683962
Placid 11 2 6 4 23 46 0.1084906
Sinq Laison 92 30 23 14 141 1 1 302 0.7122642
Solitude 9 2 2 2 7 22 0.0518868
Tash-Murkon 66 30 29 8 127 1 2 263 0.620283
The Bleak Lands 14 3 1 1 15 34 0.0801887
The Citadel 74 16 32 12 171 1 306 0.7216981
The Forge 131 24 36 10 247 3 1 452 1.0660377
Verge Vendor 30 4 13 6 36 89 0.2099057
Grand Total 1170 318 333 133 1876 14 15 3859 9.1014151
HighSec (0.5 and above) – Upwell structure anchored
Upwell structure Grand Total Avg/Day
Astrahus 1170 2.759433962
Athanor 318 0.75
Azbel 333 0.785377358
Fortizar 133 0.313679245
Raitaru 1876 4.424528302
Sotiyo 14 0.033018868
Tatara 15 0.035377358
Grand Total 3859 9.101415094

So what is all this data telling us?

In Highsec, since the introduction of Upwell structures, we’re seeing an average of 9 being anchored daily with the majority of those being the Raitaru and Astrahus types. Both Domain and The Forge are seeing an average of 1 anchored every day within their regional borders.

Would you consider this proliferation? Maybe not yet but if it continues unchecked then I can see a day where it will be ridiculous.

There has been an argument being tossed around that “compared to the number of POSes that are in each system, the number of citadels is still tiny” and I’ll agree that, yes, there are way more POSes anchored than Upwell structures but there is a limit to the number of POSes you can anchor in a system and in comparison Upwell structures are very young. POSes were introduced in 2004, that’s 14 years of POS anchoring, if EVE is still around in 14 years and there are no limits placed on the anchoring of Upwell structures how many do you think Perimeter will have in it?

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Fjúka Hœttr!

Virðing,
Kalam

Garðr Víða

It has been a long while since I’ve posted… it’s not due to lack of time in New Eden or lack of time to write, it has purely been a lack of motivation to write about ‘everyday’ life in New Ede, ie; a lack of something  exciting/new to write about, but with the CSM Winter Summit kicking off today it felt like a good day to discuss citadel proliferation.

I truly believe that there has got to be some sort of limit placed on the number of Upwell structures allowed in any given system.

We’ve got three types of Upwell structures; Citadels, Engineering complexes and Refineries that are further broken down into:

Citadels
Astrahus (medium)
Fortizar (large)
Keepstar (extra-large)

Engineering complexes
Raitaru (medium)
Azbel (large)
Sotiyo (extra-large)

Refineries
Athanor (medium)
Tatara (large)

There are currently no limitations to where or how many Upwell structures can be anchored in a system and if you find yourself asking “What problems is this causing?” then you’ve been hiding under a rock somewhere.

One very basically thought out solution is to bind the number of Upwell structures that can be anchored in any given system to the number of Celestials in that system, specifically planets, moons and asteroid Belts.

My suggestion would be to put beacons on planets and asteroids belts just like the moon mining beacons and further allow only Refineries to be anchored near the moon beacons and then Citadels and Engineering complexes can be anchored near the planet and asteroid beacons. And again like the moon beacons only one Upwell structure can be placed within range of any beacon.

Lets use Perimeter as an example – http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Perimeter/celestials

According to that list Perimeter has the following Celestials:
• 1 Sun
• 5 Stargates
• 5 NPC Stations
• 10 Planets
• 10 Moons
• 3 Asteroid Belts

Using those numbers Perimeter would be limited to a maximum of 23 Upwell structures where as currently, according to Adam4EVE, Perimeter has 44 Upwell structures anchored within it’s borders.

Using this celestial beacon anchoring solution would cut the number of Upwell structures in Perimeter by almost half but in my opinion 23 structures still seems pretty excessive so maybe there has to be some sort of point system placed on top of the beacon system.

Again this is very basically thought out but maybe a system gets so many Upwell structure points for each moon, planet and asteroid belt it has and each size of Upwell structure costs a specific number of points as well?

Just for an example lets give 1 point for each celestial, so Perimeter would have 23 Upwell structure points, and then XLG structures cost 10 points, LRG structures cost 5 points and MED structures cost 3 points – this leaves some room for the SML Upwell structure that would cost 1 point.

Using that point structure would limit Perimeter to having a maximum of 7 medium Upwell structures or 2 extra-large and 1 medium or 4 large and 1 medium, etc…

Those numbers seem much more reasonable to me and would make the anchoring of any Upwell structure something that needs to be thought out and planned. I believe that putting some limitations like these would also be a good content generator for folks all across New Eden, there would be more battles over moons, battles to have your Market Citadel next to Jita and so on.

Putting some more thought into it I’d probably like to see some sort of incentive for SOV holders where they get a boost in Upwell points based on the ADMs of their systems.

 

What are your thoughts on citadel proliferation?

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Fjúka Hœttr!

Virðing,
Kalam